are more and more people getting back into film. Many others are
picking it up for the first time. I'm glad to say, therefore,
that there's an all-manual film camera still being made in 2013.
(Nikon also makes the FM10... I'll review it when I get the chance).
Is this Vivitar film camera any good? Let's take a look.
Price & Features
The Vivitar 3800N sells for about $200 new (here). The price point is not too bad, especially
that a halfway decent digital compact costs about the same. With
the 3800N, that $200 buys you an SLR film
camera, which means you can see and meter through the lens, you have
full manual control, and it shoots film. And you're getting a fast lens, which is kind of a big deal. We'll talk about that more later.
my opinion, cheap digital cameras absolutely cannot compare to
film. To me, a $200 digital camera or a $200 film camera is
an easy choice: I'd go for the film. In fact,
I'd pick a $200 film camera over most any digital camera, even if money
were no object (read this to find out a big reason why).
The V3800N can be had with with either a 28-70mm zoom
or a 50mm
prime. A 28-70 is handy, but I lean towards the 50mm.
This is a fast lens: it
can do f/1.7. That means that if you use fast enough film, you can take hand-held shots indoors
without a flash. Fast film starts at ISO 800. Fuji
Superia 800 is excellent and easy to find. You can push many films all the way to 3200
with good results: Superia 800, Ilford HP-5 400, Ilford XP-2 400, Kodak
Portra 400, Kodak Tri-X 400, and probably others. I've read that Kodak BW400CN is
excellent when you rate it at 1000 and develop at 1600, though I
usually just shoot it at 400 and turn up the contrast a little during
the scan. (Just so you know, one-hour photo labs don't
normally do push processing... but they do process BW400CN at the rated speed, which works out just fine.)
Anyway, back to the camera. 50mm is also the
best all-around focal length for a 35mm camera lens. 50mm lets
you do portraits, street photography, landscapes, and all-around
Oh, and I almost forgot to mention... the lens is a K-mount, meaning this camera accepts Pentax K-mount lenses. That opens up a lot of possibilities. The 50mm lens that comes with the V3800N accepts standard 52mm filters. If you shoot a lot of color film you'll probably want to pick up a circular polarizer (Tiffen here; Hoya here). For B&W film you definitely need a yellow filter and maybe an orange one.
I like Tiffen filters as long as I know the sun isn't going to be
glaring into them. (If they're in your budget, get the
multi-coated Hoya filters.)
again, this is an all-manual camera. It does not have
Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority, or Program modes. You have
to adjust the shutter speed and f/stop according to the light meter for
each shot. That's not as difficult as it seems. If you're
in a place where the light doesn't change much, you'll be able to stay
at one shutter speed and within 2 or 3 aperture settings.
When your settings are right, you'll see a green dot light up. If
there's not enough light, it's a red "-" sign, and if too much light,
there's a red "+" sign. Pretty much self-explanatory.
Focus, of course, is fully-manual. But you knew that already.
Last, but not least, I've heard there is a way to achieve mirror lockup
on this camera. It isn't actually a listed feature, but I understand if you press the shutter release while the
self-timer lever is running, the mirror will stay open. That way
when the shutter does go, there should be no mirror slap.
This allows you to get sharp photos even with a cheap
The 3800n is light,
it's mostly plastic... how can it be any good, right? Actually, the 3800N is not
that light, and even though it uses some
plastic, it's got a very solid heft to it. You can tell there's
metal underneath that exterior. To me, this camera feels
nothing like the Vivitar V4000, which has a cheaper casing. When
I first took the 3800 out of
the box, I thought "Aw, man, I can't leave this camera in the glove compartment. It's too nice!"
The optics are surprisingly
That's because lens technology has advanced so far.
We're long past the era where cheap money meant mediocre lenses.
Now, computer aided design and
manufacture mean that even a cellphone camera has good
optics. Yes, even that kit lens on a $500 DSLR can be something
to write home about (the
drawback is in that DSLR's sensor and processing...).
Vivitar 50mm f/1.7 has some nice glass. It takes 52mm filters,
and it's a K-mount.
The V3800N has four main weak points, but only one of them is potentially that big a deal.
First, the viewfinder
is not the greatest, but then again it isn't all bad. What I
don't like about it is that it's a bit hazy. It reminds me of the
fogging that can happen when you go from air-conditioned indoors to
humid outdoors. Then again, mine might have actually been
fogged the first couple times I used it. When I took it outside
on a dry day, the viewfinder was a bit more clear. Maybe it just
easily. Even on the best days, though, it can be difficult to
tell whether your subject is perfectly in focus, unless you rely on the
diagonal split region. Spontaneous portraits can be a little
tough for this reason. If you have time to set up the shot and
people don't get bored and walk away, then obviously you can get better
What I do
like about the viewfinder is the diagonal split-screen. Horizontal and
vertical split-screens always require you to tilt the camera sooner or
later just to see the split focus line. The diagonal was a great
The second weak point is the rather strong mirror slap.
For a brand-new SLR selling for $200 in 2013, I guess this is not a huge surprise. The mirror slap might
affect the sharpness if you're using a cheap tripod at like 1/8 of a
second, but then again, with the short lens you probably won't notice it
much. I don't know what the long-term outcome will be of a mirror
that slaps that hard, but my camera is probably at least two or three years old, and it still works fine.
The third weak point is that the strap lugs
are held in by die-cast metal. If you drop this camera, there's a
good chance you'll break out one of the lugs. That's not a
huge problem, since the camera will continue to work just fine without
it. Just make sure no pieces get into the film advance
So far, none of these drawbacks is that big a deal. What about the fourth weak point?
That was, at least in the past, the warranty service and support. I know you
were probably hoping for a "final word" kind of review, but this area
is something I'm going to have to update when I find out more.
Vivitar is now owned by a new company since 2008. On their main
website, there is a nice big picture of the V3800N. If these guys
are smart, they will (1.) work out any remaining bugs in this camera, and (2.)
work out any bugs in their customer service, if they haven't already. I, and many other
people, want to see a good film SLR being offered at an affordable
So, in the meantime, you are probably wondering: What if the
shutter breaks? What if the light meter goes bad?
This is where the drawback of buying a $200 camera could show
up. However, most of the bad reviews I've seen for this camera go
back to 2008-2009. I'm thinking it's possible they've
ironed out the bugs, though I don't know for sure. What I do know
is that my Vivitar 3800N has seen considerable use and is still working
(Update: Also, as of 2012 the Vivitar website has the V3800 warranty mentioned in a prominent place.)
Aside from these issues, the next most important question for any camera is:
Does it take good pictures?
It sure does. (Well, the camera doesn't take the pictures;
you do.) The 50mm lens doesn't have macro, but you can get
pretty close to your subject.
Click on this one to see a bigger image. The area of sharp focus is
not in the center of the photo, because I focused on the closest part of the tire
Fuji Superia 100
This f/1.7 lens yields somewhat wiry bokeh, but that depends a lot on
subject choice. You can easily get that paper-thin
depth of field effect, though. The conoisseurs of bokeh
will probably want smoother background blurring, but they can always
fit some other K-mount lens to this camera. I like this one just
Fuji Superia 100
Multiple exposures are easy to do with the V3800N. The "multi"
button is right near the film advance lever. Just press it while
actuating the lever, and the shutter can be triggered again on the same
frame. Very convenient.
capability is there, for sure. Get a few four-packs of 200 or 400 film
and play around with this
feature. The possibilities are limitless. (Don't
forget to set the correct ISO number on the camera... it's not
Fuji Superia 100
The focus throw
is not as
smooth or easy as you'd get with a more expensive lens. It's not
bad; it's just not that fast. Because of this, it wouldn't
be my top choice for weddings, parades, or other events where people
doing a lot of moving. It's good for shots where you have more
time: portraits, still life, and
landscapes. Focus throw might fit more
under the "construction quality" heading, but a slow focus throw does
affect the pictures you take. If you can't get the
focus set fast enough, you're going to blur the shot or miss
I was taking some pictures at a town event when someone knocked over a
couple of those big orange cones. Missed that one, because I was
messing around with that focus ring. I didn't want to take an
out-of-focus picture, so I completely passed up the shot. With a
quicker focus throw (such as on the old 50mm Nikon), I'd have had that
one. (Actually, those kinds of shots are best done with AF lenses anyway).
The ring is not slow as molasses, but it could be a little faster. Then again, if I had really been trying to
capture fast action and the shots were critical, I would have chosen a camera with AF and auto
That doesn't mean you can't get an occasional fast action shot...
Fuji Superia 100
Really, if you use this camera and practice with it all the time, you
could get good enough where it won't be an issue. Auto-focus can
be kind of dumb sometimes anyway, focusing on the wrong thing when you
least want it to.
do like about the manual focus ring is the grip. It's easy to find when
you're not looking at it.
aperture ring goes in half-stop increments, which is
nice. That's very nice, in fact, when you're using slide
film, since it has a narrower latitude than print film. I
think this camera would be really good for slides, and it's just a
matter of time until I run a roll of E-6 through it.
Should You Buy This Camera?
The V3800 is inexpensive, it's fun, it's pretty solid, and it allows you to take nice
pictures. I use mine all the time. If you get "develop only" at one-hour photo and
scan your own negatives, you can have tons of inexpensive
I really see a lot of potential in this camera. (Vivitar, pay attention: fix your customer
service. Work out the bugs- the shutter
breakage, whatever. The world still wants film cameras, and
they're looking to you to provide them. Be a leader; this
is your moment. )
cheapest DSLR's are what, $400? I'll just say that if
post-processing is not your forté, I recommend getting a film camera
instead. Even if you are good at "post", why not use film and
have the real thing? If you're going to spend $400 you could buy two
Vivitar 3800N's in case one breaks. To me, that's better than buying one $400
DSLR and having it break. You could get one 3800N with the 50mm
lens and one with the 28-70.
Odds are that if you don't roughneck around with this camera, it will
last a long time. I've noticed that the worst reviews for
the V3800N are from a couple of
photography teachers. You might find that discouraging, but I
don't. Quite the opposite, in fact. Here's why. Photo
students are going to be especially
on a camera, because it's not their camera. Not only that, but
many of them are not even photography types. They're taking
course to fill an elective requirement. I'm not saying a camera
shouldn't be able to withstand that-- Pentax K-1000 cameras did
for years-- I'm just saying that you should have better luck than they
did with this camera. As I said before, those reviews also tend
to be from around 2008-2009, and I read one review that said they were
the cameras made before the company changed hands.
if the Pentax K-1000 were made new today with no design changes, it wouldn't be $200
with a lens. Try more like $450 to $500 in today's
dollars. For what it is, the V3800 is a pretty reasonable
deal; the build quality is about right for the price
point. (If Pentax K-1000's were available brand-new today
at $500, I'd save the money and get one before I'd buy a DSLR).
Put it on a tripod, set the shutter to "bulb", and
rubber band a piece of cardboard on the shutter button.
Let it sit for about two hours.
I mentioned before, my V3800N has been dropped (broken strap lug), yet
everything else still
works fine. Your mileage may vary. Personally, I love this
camera. I just don't want to tell you
this is the greatest thing since sliced bread and then have you end up
with a customer-service debacle (I kind of don't think that will
happen, though). I'd like for you to be an educated camera
buyer. Keep in mind that any major retailer is going to
have a return policy, usually 30 days, so you shouldn't go too far
wrong with this camera. If it has a bad meter or something, just
Where Can You Buy This Camera?
At the moment you can buy the Vivitar V3800N online at Amazon for about $200 with the 50mm lens or about $240 with the 28-70
Either one of these will fit into a smaller camera bag such as the Tamrac 5602,
which I like a lot. The 50mm will leave plenty of room in the bag
for a used Vivitar 283 flash, which you might also want to pick up
eventually (about $33 at Amazon).
There are a lot of 283's kicking around, and they still work great
(just don't ever use one on a digital camera... the back voltage will fry your camera).
Be sure pick up some 35mm film, too. I like Fuji Superia 400. (The 36-exposure rolls are here.) Don't forget to set the correct ISO on the camera! Speaking of ISO, you can get Superia 800 film here and Kodak Portra 800 here.
(I'm a huge fan of Superia 800, but Portra 800 is a pro film and
tolerates underexposure much better.) The V3800N's fast f/1.7
lens pair well with 800 film for low-light situations.
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you more reviews and articles!
The V3800 isn't bad. There
are a lot worse things you could spend
$200 or $230 on. As I said, my 3800 has been working just fine,
and I really like it. If your skills have atrophied from using autofocus
and aperture-priority a lot, this camera will get you back into
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